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Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: lordoftheringsfan on September 24, 2003, 12:44:26 AM
About this whole "Arwen doesn't belong in the movie because she isn't in the book" thing. . . and I'm going to be careful in how I put this. ..  don't want a bunch of people breathing down my neck. You guys who are out there (and I know there are quite a few) need to go read the book before proclaiming she is not in it. Being and true Lord of the Ring fan ;) I have read all three of the books as well as The Hobbit. Now if you were to read the stuff in the back of ROTK in the appendixes, you'd see a part called " Here Follows a Part of the Tale of Aragorn and Arwen". GUESS WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT?! It is their love story and the only thing that the director did was put it in where it would have been rather than having some tacky scene at the end which would be impossible to follow (wouldn't it be dumb if they did that??) So, they are simply putting in an important part without making it COMPLETELY out of place.
   ~Kat
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 24, 2003, 03:08:05 AM
YES I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!! :D  Thats really true and it does kind of bother me when people say that. YAY!!!! Im not the only one who thinks that. :D  :D  :D  :D  
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Post by: Krystal on September 24, 2003, 04:30:28 AM
I AGREE TOO!!! Man, it drives me crazy when people go *says in stupid voice*"Arwen shouldn't be in the movie, yada, yada, yada!"  :wacko:  It drives me absolutely NUTS!!!! Whenever I read it somewhere, my fists just clench up.   :angry:     Anyways,  :P  :D  I'm through now.
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Post by: ~*Johanna*~ on September 24, 2003, 06:16:57 AM
I agree, and I was a big fan of LOTR before I saw the movies. Arwen's role is important because she is part of Aragon's life. Showing her gives us an idea of how hard it was for them to be apart, and it also shows us when Arwen's father(Elrond) is trying to convince her not to stay with her.

I think PJ did a wonderful job at incorperating her into the movies. Besides, LOTR needs more girl power!!! LOL.  :P  
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Post by: The Drumma on September 24, 2003, 08:43:45 AM
I totally agree
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Post by: cmr on September 24, 2003, 08:51:45 AM
welcome to the forum lordoftheringsfan  :)  
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Post by: Opeth on September 24, 2003, 10:22:54 AM
welcome Lotrfan :)  
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Post by: Arwen***Aragorn on September 24, 2003, 06:32:40 PM
I totally agree with you guys, and welcome lordoftheringsfan  :hello1:  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 25, 2003, 01:32:27 AM
yes i love lord of the rings and totally agree with that girl power thing i mean she lightens up the movies so its not just killing and stuph (even though I think thats good in the movie)

Hi Lordoftheringsfan i wish your name was mine its better than lady of rivendell :( [/size]
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Post by: lordoftheringsfan on September 25, 2003, 02:18:04 AM
lol well thank you all very very much! It's great to be here:) *Bows low dramatically, then falls over. Guess I'm a lil' top heavy*
 And I honestly thought you had one of the coolest names around Lady of Rivendell, so have no fears *pats her back reassuringly* (';)')
~Katavah
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 25, 2003, 04:11:08 AM
:D yay! someone likes my name i think its ok but i didnt think of useing my e-mail name for my screen name and i like it better its legolas lover hehehe :wub:

Oh yah and Arwen***Aragorn I really like your signature I have that Liv tyler perfume add in my locker its one of my fave picks of her
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Post by: Lady of Light on September 25, 2003, 09:16:07 PM
Welcome, LOTRfan!
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Post by: Krystal on September 27, 2003, 02:11:05 AM
Wow! Lady of Rivendell, I just realized that both of us were born the same year and that your birthdate is only a month later than mine!  :o

btw, Welcome to LLTF, lordoftheringsfan!!!
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 27, 2003, 05:58:08 AM
oh wow thats really cool. everyone is so young here. i think im one of the youngest ones oh yah and i like your little icon thing (i forgot what its called) its really cool i didnt know you could get ones that moved hehehehe at first it kinda freeked me out because i saw it out of the corner of my eye but i like it  :D  
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Post by: Didi on September 27, 2003, 06:54:41 AM
You aren't the youngest Lady of R, because there are younger people than you. ;)
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Post by: Krystal on September 27, 2003, 07:55:49 AM
She knows.  :)

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i think im one of the youngest ones

And thanks Lady of Rivendell. You can get them at http://lordoftherings.madonna-online.ch/lo...tr-site_001.htm (http://lordoftherings.madonna-online.ch/lotr/a-sites/01_fotr-site_001.htm).
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Post by: lordoftheringsfan on September 27, 2003, 05:25:25 PM
Hey, I'll bet I'm younger than you, Lady of Rivendell555! And how would you know EVERYONE is young here. I mean, what if some poor ol' 60 year old lady who's a member were to read that?  :blink:
  ~Katavah

Edit: Just found out, I AM YOUNGER THAN YOU! Mwahahahahah! Okay, so I'm only 3-4 months younger, BUT I'M STILL YOUNGER!! *Gloats*  lol okay sorry all you normal people out there, but I'm a little wound up right now ;)
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Post by: Didi on September 27, 2003, 05:48:59 PM
Hey LOTR fan thre are people who are in their twenties here. ;)
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 27, 2003, 06:18:04 PM
ok well then i havent met anyone old here and nooooooooooo being in your 20's is not old at all noether is 30's or 40's or 50's.

My idea of old is different then yours i guess  :(

ok your younger then me thats cool. :D  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 27, 2003, 06:21:04 PM
ohhhhhhhh thouse moving things are neat ! :D  :D  :D


 :(  they wont work so ill just use this for now  
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Post by: Didi on September 27, 2003, 06:21:13 PM
Look at Johanna's questionare, sweety.
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 27, 2003, 06:32:00 PM
What why? ;)  
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Post by: Didi on September 27, 2003, 08:23:43 PM
You'll see that here are people in their twenties!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 27, 2003, 09:15:47 PM
i know there are but thats not what i cancider old lets just forget that i even said that ok sorry :(  
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Post by: Lady of Light on September 27, 2003, 11:04:09 PM
What's this topic about? :blink:  
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Post by: Krystal on September 27, 2003, 11:52:35 PM
It's about how some people constantly complain about Arwen being in the movies.  <_<  I hate that.  -_-  Curse those Arwen-haters.  :angry:  They don't truly know what the story's about and they obviously haven't read the Appendices.  :wacko:  
Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: Lady_Eowyn on September 28, 2003, 10:01:40 AM
(http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/images/AA_banner_5.jpg)
gna gna, sorry....
 :)

we don't know what's going to happen in RotK, do we :P
ah now I'm being irritating
excusez moi, je suis tres irritante
 :rolleyes:  
Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: Onyx on September 28, 2003, 12:24:13 PM
Non, je ne trouve pas vous irritant du tout.  :P
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on September 28, 2003, 12:55:29 PM
Merci!
I think it a bad part of the movie, though. Arwen and Aragorn had already betrothed ( ? ) themselves before the ring came round the corner, but in the film it's totally different. I prefer the book version. They could, instead of showing arwen/aragorn, make a conversation between legolas and aragorn, legsie talking about sailing to the sea someday, and then aragorn feeling bad for arwen, and you know, some good drama in it. But ofcourse, you would like to see arwen more :)  
Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: lordoftheringsfan on September 28, 2003, 07:36:27 PM
Hey! you guys are messing up my nice little forum post! And you guys completely misunderstood me. I'm sorry, but even if you 20 year olds like pretending that you're old, GUESS WHAT?! YOU'RE NOT OLD! So, my post really didn't include you 20s out there. If you noticed, I used a 60 YEAR OLD as the example. So. . . HAHAHAHAHA! I'm joking. Now, so everyone knows, this post is about the "Arwen shouldn't be in the movie" thing.
~Katavah Kring
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Post by: Arwen***Aragorn on September 28, 2003, 09:37:58 PM
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(http://www.arwen-undomiel.com/images/AA_banner_5.jpg)
 
Cool pic  :wub:  
Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: Lady of Light on September 28, 2003, 10:01:51 PM
That parts all very confusing. When Aragorn's smoking and Arwen in his head is saying go to sleep, that's a dream. And when he's with Arwen that's a dream. When's he's talking to Elrond that's a dream. Then the part when's he's talking to Arwen, that's a dream, but then he says it's a dream, nothing more, but then that whole part is a dream also, so now I am SSSOOOO confused, and after writing that, i'm MORE confused. :wacko:  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 28, 2003, 10:22:19 PM
i think elves can talk to other people in thir heads so no it wasnt a dream that he was having (it couldnt have been because he was awake)
and he said it was all a dream as in they could not be together and it was just a dream that couldnt come true

at least thats what i got out of it ;)  
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Post by: Krystal on September 29, 2003, 01:08:17 AM
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That parts all very confusing. When Aragorn's smoking and Arwen in his head is saying go to sleep, that's a dream. And when he's with Arwen that's a dream. When's he's talking to Elrond that's a dream. Then the part when's he's talking to Arwen, that's a dream, but then he says it's a dream, nothing more, but then that whole part is a dream also, so now I am SSSOOOO confused, and after writing that, i'm MORE confused. :wacko:
Ok here's how it is:

At that part, he was remembering the dream that he had with Arwen, for he had that dream before he left with the Fellowship. Then Eowyn asks him about Arwen, and he remembers everything else that happened in Rivendell. Does that make sense?   :)
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 29, 2003, 02:19:20 AM
hmmmm well i was off by a long shot  :( i feel so stupid
but i really thought that elves could send like telapathic messages ;)
oh man im even more confused now :(

oh yah and you never said what he ment when he said it was just a dream arwen was i right on that?

ok what is up with this thing poasting the last 2 messages twice i only pushed send one time
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Post by: Krystal on September 29, 2003, 03:59:44 AM
I know. Same here.  :huh:  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 29, 2003, 04:44:24 AM
:(  now were just a whole bunch of confused poeple
thats not good
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on September 29, 2003, 09:59:29 AM
elven can send telephatic-like messages. In Lotr, gandalf, galadriel, elrond and celeborn speak to eachother using thoughts. Or something like it. It's in Rotk somewhere :)  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on September 30, 2003, 12:03:35 AM
ohhhh yay so im not as stupid as i thought thats good :D  
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Post by: Krystal on September 30, 2003, 05:46:43 AM
lol  :lol:  You're not stupid at all.
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Post by: Onyx on September 30, 2003, 11:47:47 AM
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elven can send telephatic-like messages. In Lotr, gandalf, galadriel, elrond and celeborn speak to eachother using thoughts. Or something like it. It's in Rotk somewhere :)
GO GANDALF!! :jestera:
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on September 30, 2003, 08:34:53 PM
:pcheerleader: G for Good, A for Able, N for Noble, D for Da-man, A for Anticipated, L for Loving, F for Fictory
:pcheerleader:

 :D  can anyone make a better version please  :rolleyes:  
Title: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: Lady of Light on September 30, 2003, 09:30:16 PM
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Ok here's how it is:

At that part, he was remembering the dream that he had with Arwen, for he had that dream before he left with the Fellowship. Then Eowyn asks him about Arwen, and he remembers everything else that happened in Rivendell. Does that make sense?   :)
So all of it happened before he even went out with the Fellowship????? :blink:
When is this gap? (for example, before the Council of Elrond?)

btw, no, I stink at acrostic poems.
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Post by: Arwen_Evenstar on October 01, 2003, 03:55:20 AM
lordoftheringsfan I agree with you!  btw you are member #500!  haha that is so cool.  lol.  Welcome to the forum.
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Post by: Krystal on October 03, 2003, 06:55:27 AM
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So all of it happened before he even went out with the Fellowship????? :blink:
When is this gap? (for example, before the Council of Elrond?)
Yes, it happened before the Fellowship departed. It took me a little while to figure it out before. I knew the elves could contact each other from far away, but it wouldn't have made sense with the story. I mean, if Arwen was sending telepathic messages that night, and the next day he's remebering himself saying "It was a dream, nothing more" it wouldn't have made sense. To answer your second question, LoL... :P ....I have no clue when it is, but most likely after the Council of Elrond.
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on October 04, 2003, 12:33:06 AM
so its was after the council of Elrond but she just gave the it to him a little before that and then he tryed to give it back? Geeze that must have made her feel REALLY loved.  <_<  
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Post by: Krystal on October 04, 2003, 07:47:46 AM
I know.  :(   I felt sorry for her. I would have said exactly what she said. It was a gift, Aragorn!!!  :P   If you saw the FotR Extended Version, remember when Aragorn nods to Arwen, and she bows her head holding back tears?  Poor, poor Arwen.   :claim:  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on October 04, 2003, 07:28:12 PM
yah i would be VERY upset if i pledged my life to this guy im head over heals in love with him and then he changes his mind! I would probably say the same thing as her but with all the anger and sadness i might not have been able to be as nice and forgiving as she was.
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Post by: Krystal on October 04, 2003, 07:40:01 PM
I know, she was nice about that, but then again she's an elf and elves can be very forgiving.  :rolleyes:  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on October 04, 2003, 10:17:47 PM
arwen must be one of the most strong willed in the book, she has to put up with A LOT of crap.
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Post by: Krystal on October 05, 2003, 01:43:12 AM
lol  :lol:  but all that "crap" wasn't in the book.  :D  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on October 05, 2003, 02:12:14 AM
yah thats true but in the move there sure was a lot of crap
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Post by: Krystal on October 05, 2003, 05:20:36 AM
true very true  :lol:   :D  
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Post by: Lady of Rivendell555 on October 05, 2003, 05:51:32 AM
hehehe we are the only ones talkign in here. :D  
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on October 05, 2003, 02:36:35 PM
and what are you talking about? I don't quite get it!
 :huh:  
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Post by: Morwen on October 05, 2003, 03:22:55 PM
I've read the books and i totally agree :D  
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Post by: Krystal on October 06, 2003, 04:07:29 AM
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and what are you talking about? I don't quite get it!
 :huh:
We were talking about how Arwen, in the movie, had to put up with all of that stuff with Aragorn trying to give her back her necklce (the "crap"   :P ), and how Arwen must have felt.
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on October 06, 2003, 03:45:32 PM
poor Arwen :)  
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Post by: lordoftheringsfan on October 07, 2003, 04:04:32 PM
Haha, wow I'm soo proud. For one, I AM member #500 and like the one forumer said, that's cool. Think about it, not many people get to be an exact hundred number :) Second, I can't believe my little side-note forum is doing so well! Haha yes I have problems, but ah well! It's still neat in my mind. Okay about the thing in the movie where they talk to each other... I took it to be both ways: On some of the scenes he was remembering the past and what had happened, sometimes he was actually there in the present (like in FOTR) and then there are the times when they are talking in their minds, like after he falls off the cliff and Arwen rescues him. Sooo, I think it's a bit of everything (and don't try too hard to sort it all out or you poor confused people may hurt yourself ;)
   ~Katavah
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Post by: Lady_Eowyn on October 07, 2003, 04:05:50 PM
well, it's not that difficult...you just have to know it B)  
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Post by: Lady of Light on October 07, 2003, 11:15:32 PM
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To answer your second question, LoL...  ....I have no clue when it is, but most likely after the Council of Elrond.
I get it now! Arwen was like wearing the same dress!! When Arwen was leaving (before Galadriel came into the picture in the Leave Taking I think, that's where it is in the soundtrack :wacko: ) was that in TTT or right after the Fellowship left?
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Post by: Krystal on October 08, 2003, 05:44:09 AM
In a way, both.  :P  
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Post by: Lady of Light on October 08, 2003, 10:57:22 PM
Of course they showed it in TTT :rolleyes: , but if it was in order would it be in the FOTR?
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Post by: Krystal on October 11, 2003, 02:00:33 AM
Yes it would be in FotR if it was in order.  :)  heehee :D  I don't know why I'm happy, because I have a lot of homework to do.  <_<  Oh, well! Back to happiness!  :P   :D  
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Post by: Klemens on June 03, 2010, 12:49:36 AM
The movie was drenched in pathos, cheese and whatnot. The scene with Aragorn dead and Arwen mourning was completely unnecessary. The whole thing would be way easier to watch, if they would have made the love story a bit more lighthearted.
Title: Re: The Whole Aragorn- Arwen Thing. . .
Post by: ~LoveLivLaura~ on June 03, 2010, 12:41:41 PM
I don`t think its unnecesary.Elrond was trying to make Arwen to leave Middle Earth and everything related to it behind,because all the elves are leaving,using this thing with Aragorn`s death(I didn`t read all the books,I now reached chapter 4 from TTT :D,I`m talking from the movie)
Sorry for my english btw :s
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Post by: Ellektra on June 12, 2010, 06:53:41 PM
True, the whole "vision thing" and Aragorn's death were necessary because it allows PJ to show little bits of the story of Aragorn and Arwen (you know, their child Eldarion, and later when Aragorn dies) Those are important parts of their story together and the story of Aragorn and Arwen is very important to Pj and his wife. Therefore, it's in the movies and I'm happy about it.
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Post by: seaimsk on July 31, 2010, 06:46:54 AM
This is perhaps the most important part of the appendices, since it tells the story of Aragorn and Arwen that is missing in the book. Tolkien wrote that he left it out of LotR reluctantly, but felt that it would not have fit in there. Do you agree? If he had put it in, where could it have fit without slowing down the story too much?

First we read of Aragorn's background - he was such an important figure in the history of the Kingdoms that his grandmother urged his parents to marry early. Her foresight even gives Aragorn his Elvish name! "If these two wed now, hope may be born for our people."