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Arwen bashing rant...really funny!
« on: February 04, 2005, 09:24:51 PM »
Hey everyone...I found this great rant someone posted on my Livejournal about Arwen bashers...I got a good giggle from it  :D


I can understand not liking a character, people have different tastes, that's fine because life would be boring if everyone liked the same things. I can understand being ambivalent about a character, especially Arwen, because that's how I felt about her before the films came out. However, I cannot for the life of me fathom why people get so irate and hateful towards a fictional character. I don't like character bashing, it's irrational, it's nasty and at times, just downright ignorant. Some of the reasons that I've heard for why Arwen sucks make my brain break, they really do. Observe:


1. "You can only be an Arwen fan if you haven't read/didn't understand the books."

That's so insulting and inaccurate, it hardly merits a response. Maybe Arwen fans are less simiplistic; they understand that film and book are completely different media and thus have to be treated in different ways. Ever think of it that way? No of course not.

2. "Liv Tyler isn't even pretty."

Oh yeah. I mean, if I looked like Liv Tyler I don't know how I'd live with myself. She's HIDEOUS.[/sarcasm]

3. "Arwen takes screen time away from Frodo, Aragorn, Eowyn, Elrond, Gandalf, Bill the Pony, Gandalf's hat..."

Arwen has about, what, an average of 10 minutes per film? Probably less. Considering each film is about 3+ hours long, that's not a massive amount of screen time. Get over it. If you want to talk about a love plot being over-played, look to Eowyn. IMHO, they over-did Eowyn's obsession with Aragorn far too much, to the point that it seriously damaged the plausibility of her love for Faramir. The padding-out of Arwen's part was mild in comparison.

And how can Arwen POSSIBLY take away screen-time from Elrond? In the books you see him in Rivendell and then again right at the end. If anything, the boosting of Arwen's role gave Elrond MORE screen time. And, being the hopeless Elrond/Hugo Weaving fangirl I am, I was all for that. ;)

4. "She cried all the time. She's weak. She's girly."

Sooo...the only way a woman can be strong is to act just like men? Sexist much? Also, Eowyn spends a lot of her screen time crying, making big cow-eyes at Aragorn, hanging on his every word, disobeying Theoden's orders etc. Those are not exactly the actions of an emotionally strong woman. Arwen on the other hand, sticks to her guns, remains dignified, retains a good relationship with her father despite the conflict. Arwen ain't weak, she's anything but weak.

5. "The padding out of Arwen's role is disrespectful to Tolkien's vision, they should have stuck to the books instead of making up stuff for Arwen to do, it's wrong to have her fighting, it's wrong to have her steal Glorfindel's role. Tolkien wouldn't have wanted it."

This argument is a little more sophisticated, so we must tread this morass carefully.

First of all, books are not like movies. You can introduce background information in a book much more easily than you can on film. Film is a visual medium, you can't mention important character points in passing, you have to SHOW them, otherwise there's a risk that the audience won't pick up on them in a single viewing. Tolkien could afford to put informaton in appendices, to passively fill out the back story of Arwen and Aragorn; PJ couldn't do that. You can't have a character go through a nine-hour movie and then right at the end introduce this random chick and have him say, "oh, btw, this is the love of my life who's giving up immortality to marry me. Cool huh?" It wouldn't have worked, the audience would have felt cheated. Bear in mind that these films weren't just made for book fans, they were made for people who knew nothing whatsoever about Tolkien.

The Glorfindel thing, yeah, I like Glorfindel. It's a shame he didn't make it into the film. But, again, character amalgamation is a neat trick for getting across as much information in the shortest time possible. It isn't the first time this technique has been used in adaptations, it won't be the last. Let's face it, Glorfy comes into it to give Frodo his horse and he doesn't come into the story again. For a film, it makes better narrative sense to cut the chaff and give his role to a character who will re-appear.

Thirdly, one of my favourite scenes in the Two Towers is the scene where Elrond warns Arwen what will happen if she stays. That scene was book canon through and through, it was straight out of the appendix. It was so beautifully, cleverly and artfully done, the canon nay-sayers should be jumping for joy that an obscure Tolkien passage was put centre-stange, instead of bitching about Arwen being on screen.

As for Arwen fighting, when do we ever actually see her fight? Never. Not once. We see her draw a sword, we never see her use it. It could have been bluff for all we know. Yes, a Helm's Deep section was filmed but the film makers saw the error of their ways and to her credit, it was Tyler who pushed for her to be feminised a little more. "You don't need to put a sword in her hands for her to be strong." Amen sister.

6. "Eowyn would have been better for Aragorn. I'm an Aragorn/Eowyn shipper, Arwen got in the way!"

*points to the above argument* *brain breaks* >.<

Now do you want canonical accuracy or not? Which is it going to be? CONSISTENCY, PEOPLE!

7. "Arwen said she scorned mortals. She was a BIG MEANIE to the people she was Queen over! What a bitch!"

*bangs head off desk* No, no, no, no, NO! She was talking about the Second-Age Numenoreans who declared war on the Valar because they desired immortality, she wasn't talking about the Fourth-Age Gondorians. *sigh* It pays to do research before you shoot your mouth off.

Those are the arguments/outbursts/ignorant rubbish that annoy me the most. If it wasn't for these outbursts from the anti-arwen crowd, I probably never would have got thinking about this stuff and would never have gained a new appreciation for Arwen.

Congratulations Arwen-bashers. You've turned me into an Arwen fan. Be proud.


 
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Arwen bashing rant...really funny!
« Reply #1 on: February 04, 2005, 09:51:24 PM »
yeah, I've read that yesterday! I loved it :D  really made my day :D  

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« Reply #2 on: February 04, 2005, 10:21:45 PM »
I didn't had time to read everything, but from what I understand, that is some funny stuff :D  The people didn't really understand the character Arwen :rolleyes:  

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« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2005, 02:04:18 AM »
I thought I saw your name in there mata  :D  
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« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2005, 02:09:28 AM »
:lol: I don't get it.... -_- what else can I say... <_<  

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« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2005, 10:03:53 AM »
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I thought I saw your name in there mata  :D
yep, I commented  :D  

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« Reply #6 on: February 07, 2005, 01:37:49 AM »
ha! :lol: arwen-bashers who think they have it right are so funny! they always contradict themselves when they say: arwen's character is sooo against the book. and then they're like: aragorn and eowyn are meant for each other. poor faramir. don't they remember him?

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« Reply #7 on: February 07, 2005, 07:27:42 AM »
AUGH that is frickin fantastic I love it! thanks for sharing it with us ariel :)  

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« Reply #8 on: February 07, 2005, 08:39:33 PM »
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Congratulations Arwen-bashers. You've turned me into an Arwen fan. Be proud.

LOL, thats how I became an avid fan too!
And I make no apologies
Im into phonography
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I need my hands free

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« Reply #9 on: February 07, 2005, 09:22:19 PM »
What happened w/ Farimir? Ohh I know its pathetic...I call myself a LOTR fan and I haven't even read the books! haha
With this being said, every petal's come off again.

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« Reply #10 on: February 07, 2005, 10:19:50 PM »
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What happened w/ Farimir? Ohh I know its pathetic...I call myself a LOTR fan and I haven't even read the books! haha
Watch the end of the third film again  ;)

Its subtle, but its there
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Arwen bashing rant...really funny!
« Reply #11 on: February 08, 2005, 12:13:55 AM »
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What happened w/ Farimir? Ohh I know its pathetic...I call myself a LOTR fan and I haven't even read the books! haha
Watch the end of the third film again  ;)

Its subtle, but its there
or watch the extended edition houses of healing scene...not much there, but you get the idea... ;)

and read the books! they're fantastic and you will feel special when you are able to talk the ears off your other lotr fans who haven't sacrficed the time to do such.  :D  

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« Reply #12 on: February 08, 2005, 10:52:23 AM »
Hehe, you're welcome whitechoco...my favorite was the whole 'Liv Tyler's not pretty' thing... :lol: * LOL *
Oh man...I love the comeback....oh yeah man, I don't know what I'd do with myself if I looked like her *sarcasm*  :D
People are insane  :rolleyes:  
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« Reply #13 on: February 08, 2005, 08:18:23 PM »
^yep! :lol:  

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« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2005, 01:01:05 PM »
Haha! Arwen haters are just amusing  :rolleyes: Then you get the ones who hate Livvy cause they hate Arwen, and grr.. *gets firing squad* Ahem... I'm great fan o Tolkien (I'd love to have someone to rant about LittleHeart the man with a gong to! :D) But I respect the differences of the film because its an adaption.. anyway digressing here :D


Arwen all the way :D